SpaceRider
11/1/2007 6:25:38 AM
What class of people drive Monte Carlo's ?
What Class are You ?
8. Classes of People
Throughout recorded time, and probably since the end of the Neolithic Age, there have been three kinds of people in the world, the High, the Middle, and the Low. They have been subdivided in many ways, they have borne countless different names, and their relative numbers, as well as their attitude towards one another, have varied from age to age: but the essential structure of society has never altered. Even after enormous upheavals and seemingly irrevocable changes, the same pattern has always reasserted itself, just as a gyroscope will always return to equilibrium, however far it is pushed one way or the other.
The aims of these three groups are entirely irreconcilable:
- The aim of the High is to remain where they are.
- The aim of the Low, when they have an aim - for it is an abiding characteristic of the Low that they are too much crushed by drudgery to be more than intermittently conscious of anything outside their daily lives - is to abolish all distinctions and create a society in which all men shall be equal.
Thus throughout history a struggle which is the same in its main outlines recurs over and over again. For long periods the High seem to be securely in power, but sooner or later there always comes a moment when they lose either their belief in themselves or their capacity to govern efficiently, or both. They are then overthrown by the Middle, who enlist the Low on their side by pretending to them that they are fighting for liberty and justice.
As soon as they have reached their objective, the Middle thrust the Low back into their old position of servitude, and themselves become the High. Presently, a new Middle group splits off from one of the other groups, or from both of them, and the struggle begins all over again. Of the three groups, only the Low are never even temporarily successful in achieving their aims. From the point of view of the Low, no historic change has ever meant much more than a change in the name of their masters...
After the revolutionary period of the 'fifties and 'sixties, society regrouped itself, as always, into High, Middle, and Low. But the new High group, unlike all its foreunners, did not act upon instinct but knew what was needed to safeguard its position. It had long been realized that the only secure basis for oligarchy is collectivism.
By comparison with that existing to-day, all the tyrannies of the past were half-hearted and inefficient ...and were content to leave loose ends everywhere, to regard only the overt act and to be uninterested in what their subjects were thinking... Part of the reason for this was that in the past no government had the power to keep its citizens under constant surveillance
They do Now....`Big Brother ?
OnStar : ) Camera's everywhere 
Google's Earth Watch ?
I see you.....can you see me ?
SpaceRider
11/1/2007 6:42:22 AM
I think that `Smart People buy/drive the
Chevrolet Monte Carlo.
From Every `Class
Thanks members for participating in my homework/class assignment 
SpaceRider
11/1/2007 7:16:07 AM
Types of Social Classes of People 
Social class refers to a group of people with similar levels of wealth, influence, and status. Sociologists typically use three methods to determine social class: -
The objective method measures and analyzes “hard” facts.
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The subjective method asks people what they think of themselves.
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The reputational method asks what people think of others.
Results from these three research methods suggests that in the United States today approximately 15 to 20 percent are in the poor, lower class; 30 to 40 percent are in the working class; 40 to 50 percent are in the middle class; and 1 to 3 percent are in the rich, upper class.
The lower class
The lower class is typified by poverty, homelessness, and unemployment. People of this class, few of whom have finished high school, suffer from lack of medical care, adequate housing and food, decent clothing, safety, and vocational training. The media often stigmatize the lower class as “the underclass,” inaccurately characterizing poor people as welfare mothers who abuse the system by having more and more babies, welfare fathers who are able to work but do not, drug abusers, criminals, and societal “trash.”
The working class
The working class are those minimally educated people who engage in “manual labor” with little or no prestige. Unskilled workers in the class—dishwashers, cashiers, maids, and waitresses—usually are underpaid and have no opportunity for career advancement. They are often called the working poor. Skilled workers in this class—carpenters, plumbers, and electricians—are often called blue collar workers. They may make more money than workers in the middle class—secretaries, teachers, and computer technicians; however, their jobs are usually more physically taxing, and in some cases quite dangerous.
The middle class
The middle class are the “sandwich” class. These white collar workers have more money than those below them on the “social ladder,” but less than those above them. They divide into two levels according to wealth, education, and prestige. The lower middle class is often made up of less educated people with lower incomes, such as managers, small business owners, teachers, and secretaries. The upper middle class is often made up of highly educated business and professional people with high incomes, such as doctors, lawyers, stockbrokers, and CEOs.
The upper class
Comprising only 1 to 3 percent of the United States population, the upper class holds more than 25 percent of the nation's wealth. This class divides into two groups: lower-upper and upper-upper. The lower-upper class includes those with “new money,” or money made from investments, business ventures, and so forth. The upper-upper class includes those aristocratic and “high-society” families with “old money” who have been rich for generations. These extremely wealthy people live off the income from their inherited riches. The upper-upper class is more prestigious than the lower-upper class.
Wherever their money comes from, both segments of the upper class are exceptionally rich. Both groups have more money than they could possibly spend, which leaves them with much leisure time for cultivating a variety of interests. They live in exclusive neighborhoods, gather at expensive social clubs, and send their children to the finest schools. As might be expected, they also exercise a great deal of influence and power both nationally and globally.[/
I guess I would count as working class. But I don't see how your source can say that doctors, lawyers, and CEO's are middle class.
SpaceRider
11/1/2007 8:41:15 AM
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ORIGINAL: Super MCF Member Taz
I guess I would count as working class. But I don't see how your source can say that doctors, lawyers, and CEO's are middle class.
" The upper middle class is often made up of highly educated business and professional people with high incomes, such as doctors, lawyers, stockbrokers, and CEOs. "
The upper class
Comprising only 1 to 3 percent of the United States population, the upper class holds more than 25 percent of the nation's wealth.
let me `in up there....Make room 4 `Space
I look up to them, I am their servant, their go-for, I clean their cars/boats/yard : )
I'm just happy 2 `be, and working harder to `be better.
I'm mov'in on up to the Upper/Lower Class : )
The less you have, the less you have to worry about : )
So, Don't Worry, be `Happy, you have a Monte Carlo : )
My grandfather always says to me
"Space, Dreams are where we want to `be,
and work is how we get there"
I'm work'in on `it.
Hope your dreams come True 2 : )
I think I fit into the Upper, Lower, Middle class.
Now. If I just had some. (class)
God_Bot
11/1/2007 10:08:45 AM
I don't know where to vote, there isn't really an option for us college students, maybe pro-class, like we are yet to be in a class?
SpaceRider
11/1/2007 11:15:49 AM
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ORIGINAL: God_Bot
I don't know where to vote, there isn't really an option for us college students, maybe pro-class, like we are yet to be in a class?
Hi Garrett,
I think there are social classes @ college.
1. Lower Class (Works/pays rent/pays 4 school/no car 
) 2. Middle Class (works p/t, parents pay 4 school / car : )
3. Upper Class: Parents buy new car/pay college/give kid credit cards/rents
beach house/buy cloth's/lap top/i-pod etc...: )
Yes, I think there are social classes, in college : )
SolaraSlayer
11/1/2007 12:39:13 PM
Does Upper Lower Class count?
SpaceRider
11/1/2007 1:01:23 PM
quote:
ORIGINAL: SolaraSlayer
Does Upper Lower Class count?
GP `Dave, I think all classes count, but I think we are in a class of our own : )
"It's really not how others see you, it's how you see yourself"
Maybe, I created a new Class : ) Upper-Lower Class.
I just know that we have it better then 96% of the rest of our World.
I am thankful...I read, & watch the news of other countries/people
and their living conditons, their lack of freedoms, etc.
We in North America are very fortunate.
I'll be `happy to reach the Upper/Lower Class.
Space = one step away from camping out : )
Thanks to all the members that have participated.
quote:
The upper class
Comprising only 1 to 3 percent of the United States population, the upper class holds more than 25 percent of the nation's wealth.
So who would fit into the "$uper Upper Cla$$" in the poll? I'm guessing your Donald Trump/Oprah Winfrey types? The billionaires.
I am starting to believe those who say the population is being separated into two classes. Upper and lower. The middle class is disappearing and being replaced with what some people call "the working poor". Those being people who have jobs, but are living paycheck to paycheck just for the basic necessities. Not to pay for luxury items like large homes, boats, multiple cars, sports cars, etc...
SpaceRider
11/1/2007 1:24:03 PM
Thanks Super Member `Taz for your Post....I agree : (
If you read any Corporate Business news:
America is for sale.
The oil baron's are purchasing numerous stocks in
US companies. The American Dollar is falling : (
There's a price on everything. America better wake up
and start getting involved in the process of selecting leaders
with integrity/experience. We must block the corporate
lobbyist from government officials.
It's really frustrating trying to keep up on the World News,
and the Wars : (
We are losing so much....I just got gas for my g/f cars &
it was $2.99.9 a gal : ( Good thing it's a 4-banger : )
Peace Out
SolaraSlayer
11/1/2007 1:28:12 PM
quote:
ORIGINAL: Taz
quote:
The upper class
Comprising only 1 to 3 percent of the United States population, the upper class holds more than 25 percent of the nation's wealth.
So who would fit into the "$uper Upper Cla$$" in the poll? I'm guessing your Donald Trump/Oprah Winfrey types? The billionaires.
I am starting to believe those who say the population is being separated into two classes. Upper and lower. The middle class is disappearing and being replaced with what some people call "the working poor". Those being people who have jobs, but are living paycheck to paycheck just for the basic necessities. Not to pay for luxury items like large homes, boats, multiple cars, sports cars, etc...
Taz those are very typical left talking points. Remember please, the liberal left media fails to remind us is that the top 1-3% of the population pays 33%+ (thanks for space's correction) of all the taxes. The left has done a fabulous brain wash job on the public making us think that they don't!!!!
SpaceRider
11/1/2007 1:32:23 PM
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Remember please, the liberal left media fails to remind us is that the top 1-3% of the population pays 73% of all the taxes.
The left has done a fabulous brain wash job on the public making us think that they don't!!!!
GP `Dave, do you know where I can find the proof of
your above statement ?
Thank You for your input : )
SolaraSlayer
11/1/2007 1:32:27 PM
Thank God for the Upper Class.
They are the people I served and put me through school when I worked at Universal Studios.
The upper class are the people who pumped their funds into my college prep high school giving me an equal opportunity to succeed.
They are the people who buy my goods and help put food on Mia's plate.
The upper class are the people who make investments in property to that Mia's dad can have his cement pooring job.
They are the people who leave my daughter big tips at her restaurant.
They upper class are the people who bring us the cababilities to have cell phones and drive cars on beautiful highways.
Look at Cuba who eliminated the upper class. Nope, wouldn't want to live there.
SolaraSlayer
11/1/2007 1:36:58 PM
Sorry about the hyperbole, I retract, the top 1% pays 33% of all taxes Here is a start where the top 5% pay 53%. This is 2001. I'll try to find where the top 5-10% currenly pay over 70%. 
*Data covers calendar year 2001, not fiscal year 2001 - and includes all income, not just wages, excluding Social Security
SolaraSlayer
11/1/2007 1:55:49 PM
From the U.S. Governement: "The top
1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes in 2002. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual income taxes since 1995. Moreover, since 1990 this group’s tax share has grown faster than their income share."
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/incometaxandtheirs/a/whopaysmost.htm So tell me again, what is wrong with rich people????
Cowboy6622
11/1/2007 2:29:18 PM
the poll is flawed space, most americans classify themselves as "middle class", no matter what class they really are.
MadelynsDaddy
11/1/2007 5:21:51 PM
By your logic, Cowboy, all polls are flawed. They all rely on self-report and sometimes people lie. By the way, growing up I knew a lot of people who were really middle class (by the above definitions) who called themselves upper class. The consumer culture is built on the premise that all of us can live above our class (if we're willing to pay interest on ever-increasing debt). And the American dream is that all of us, with enough hard work, have an opportunity to be 'social climbers', eventually rising above the class we were born into. I'm afraid that's more probable for some than for others.
GPD, thank you for making the point about top wage earners paying most of the taxes. People forget that when they attack the rich.
A professor of mine used to tell us time and again, "Never trust a study." And I'd say a poll falls into this category as well. They are one sided designed to give the results expected.
If Uncle Sam tells me all Native Americans and their decendants are crazy from the word go, then I'd have to say Bolderdash!!!
I happen to know someone of Native American decent. Me for one. I doubt I'm crazy. Okay maybe just a little bit. :)
God_Bot
11/1/2007 8:22:05 PM
Yeah, I guess it is true that there are still classes at college. I went ahead and put myself middle class as my father bought my car and is paying for my first year of college, after that I'm on my own. Oh, and I would totally have a part-time job right now if it wasn't for the fact that us Architecture students have little time to sleep, let alone hold down a job. Maybe next semester when I transfer back instate for Graphic Design. I defiantly need to get a job then, I've got to pay for my trip for ISV to Australia.
SolaraSlayer
11/1/2007 9:40:48 PM
Great thread!!! We have some of the most civilized discussions here for being "gear heads." I've been on other forums and they more intellectual and pseudo-intellects they attract, they more they act like pricks. We have a geat middle-of-the-road membership crowd.
LnLSS06
11/2/2007 2:39:53 AM
My thoughts are based on annual household* income:
Lower class = less then 35k
Lower middle = 36k to 80k
Middle = 81k to 140k
Upper Middle = 141k to 200k
*Household being both spouses incomes combined. Now remember this is my own personal opinion.
SpaceRider
11/2/2007 3:25:07 AM
quote:
ORIGINAL: LnLSS06
My thoughts are based on annual household* income:
Lower class = less then 35k
Lower middle = 36k to 80k
Middle = 81k to 140k
Upper Middle = 141k to 200k
*Household being both spouses incomes combined. Now remember this is my own personal opinion.
JR, Interesting view/post
I've posted several times that life is just a $ Money Game$.
You put a dollar value on the Social Classes, which gives
the reader a visual that everyone can relate.
I knew when I posted this thread that it would give several
member's a platform to state their views/opinions.
Everyone's post is appreciated.
I'm in the lower/lower class: way under 18K a year : (
Thanks JR...., thanks members
`Space
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