- What Class are You ? - Page 2

Take a look at this chart, which shows not only how much taxes are paid by various income groups, but also each group's share of the total income: http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/341.html

Keep in mind that this is just federal income taxes. Why, it seems to me that it's the bottom 50% of income earners who are not paying their "fair share".  Shazam!

In the not too distant future, the bottom 50-percent will be paying no federal income taxes at all, at which point the political debate over taxes will be finished - assuming those who pay no income taxes are still allowed to vote. 
 
Alexander Tyler got it right when he said this, well over 100 years ago:
 
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."

Personally, I think we're currently in the process of moving into the "apathy to dependency" stage of Tyler's model.

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When you see someone in a Monte Carlo, what class

do you put the owner into ?

lower/middle/upper

 

 
 

Income tax whern first started was a "Temporary" thing to help the U.S. get back on it's feet after WWII.
 
It was not intended to be a perminent system.
 
You can bet it's perminent now.
 
 

i thought it was to pay for WWI, o'well

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ORIGINAL: Cowboy6622

i thought it was to pay for WWI, o'well

 
It was WWI Cowboy - probably just a typo on RJ's part. BTW, I forgot to mention that I'm definately not rich, but far from poor. So, I guess that puts me in the middle-class.
 
The original owner of my Monte, interestingly, is an upper middle-class dude all the way - owns a large Mexican food company here in the Kansas City area.  Apparently he got bored with it after a relatively short time, and traded it in on a new Escalade.    

It was WWI Cowboy - probably just a typo on RJ's part.
 
 
Sorry guys. Just going by what I was told by a woman who lived through WWII. Definately before my time.
 
 

Super awesome discussion, Oh did I say that already?
 
I hope there are thousands of dicussions going on like this all over the net.
 
The current democratic leadership that cannot convince me that most of America, wants or needs to be taxed.
 
Taxes are the reason we revolted against King George and now they want to take us back 250 years.

Let's talk triple taxation without representation for a while.
 
Think it doesn't exist? Look over your phone bill.
 
 

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ORIGINAL: SolaraSlayer

Super awesome discussion, Oh did I say that already?
 
I hope there are thousands of dicussions going on like this all over the net.
 
The current democratic leadership that cannot convince me that most of America, wants or needs to be taxed.
 
Taxes are the reason we revolted against King George and now they want to take us back 250 years.

Do not be deceived sir - the current crop of Republicans are no different than the Demorats, except for their timetable. The lunatic Bush, for example, has spent more of our money on social programs than Klintoon did in his entire eight years. Congress holds the national purse strings, of course, but the president holds a very valuable tool - the veto. As two-time Libertarian presidential candidate Harry Browne once observed, pens are cheap.

I was a lifelong Republican until 1996, when for me the "lightbulb" finally illuminated. Since that time, I have been a card-carrying, dues-paying Libertarian.

The country, as we have known it, is probably finished. However, I believe there is one final ray of hope in the form of Ron Paul. Liberals, Conservatives, Greenies, Demorats and Republicans are all joining the Ron Paul "revolution" in ever-increasing numbers, and I suggest that every American citizen here consider doing the same - it's the Boston Tea Party of our time, my friends. We're not fighting against the British Crown this time, but rather against the Globalists and New World Order types who are Hell-bent on destroying the United States as we know it, and replacing it with the "North American Union".

The support for Dr. Paul is going to have to overwhelming; otherwise, the powers-that-be are going to install Mrs. Klintoon into the White House for eight years. Following her reign, it's going to be Jeb Bush's turn - probably for another eight years. That's another 16-years of Klintoon/Bush and their handlers. If there's anyone here who believes that the United States Constitution can survive this, well, I feel sorry for you. 

Could all the people who believe as I do be wrong? Of course. Time will tell - as it always does.  

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/ 

I would say I am middle class. I have a nice home on 8 acres with a thoroughbred and drive a nice 07 Monte SS. I mean what else can you ask for

tecnically i guess the country will be enduring 32 years of Clinton and Bush if you're hypothetical situation comes true (oh Lord), and i've been saying for awhile the only difference in Democrats and Republicans is that democrats want to run the country into the ground faster than Republicans, plus they have different ways of doing it.  Democrats feel that social programs and income redistribution are the keys.  Republicans feel that coercing people into traditional behavior is the key to running our country into the ground. 

I would say I am middle class. I have a nice home on 8 acres with a thoroughbred and drive a nice 07 Monte SS. I mean what else can you ask for
 
 
A job like the one you have at the same pay level?

 

I am a network Tech for a energy company in Colorado. I am a bit spoiled...but its nothing extravagant

• Vancouver 3rd in world in quality of life survey
  CBC News, March 14, 2005
• World-wide quality of life survey
  Mercer Human Resource Consulting, March 14, 2005

40 some percent taxes and socialized medicine.. yeah, it is the best country in the world isn't it?  (sarcasm, sorry to offend the Canadians.)

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ORIGINAL: SpaceRider

Welfare Poem - oh boy!  

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That's an old email joke that's been around for years.  But please be careful what you post here.
 

Our government funded health care system is very nice considering we don't have to get approval from an HMO for medical procedures.  And don't have enormous hospital bills to pay every time.  But it is starting to fall apart.  With the population growing and needing health care more, the demand is overwhelming the system.  We are now having huge waiting periods for necessary procedures.  Among other problems.

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ORIGINAL: Taz

Our government funded health care system is very nice considering we don't have to get approval from an HMO for medical procedures.  And don't have enormous hospital bills to pay every time.  But it is starting to fall apart.  With the population growing and needing health care more, the demand is overwhelming the system.  We are now having huge waiting periods for necessary procedures.  Among other problems.

 
"VERY NICE" as you put it but my friend in BC waited 17 months to get a tooth pulled, no thank you.

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ORIGINAL: SolaraSlayer

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ORIGINAL: Taz

Our government funded health care system is very nice considering we don't have to get approval from an HMO for medical procedures.  And don't have enormous hospital bills to pay every time.  But it is starting to fall apart.  With the population growing and needing health care more, the demand is overwhelming the system.  We are now having huge waiting periods for necessary procedures.  Among other problems.

"VERY NICE" as you put it but my friend in BC waited 17 months to get a tooth pulled, no thank you.

 
...and you only have 30 million people up there, we have almsot that many illegals.
 
If Clinton wins, this country will go to h...e...double hockey sticks.....

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ORIGINAL: gale155

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ORIGINAL: SolaraSlayer

Super awesome discussion, Oh did I say that already?
 
I hope there are thousands of dicussions going on like this all over the net.
 
The current democratic leadership that cannot convince me that most of America, wants or needs to be taxed.
 
Taxes are the reason we revolted against King George and now they want to take us back 250 years.

Do not be deceived sir - the current crop of Republicans are no different than the Demorats, except for their timetable. The lunatic Bush, for example, has spent more of our money on social programs than Klintoon did in his entire eight years. Congress holds the national purse strings, of course, but the president holds a very valuable tool - the veto. As two-time Libertarian presidential candidate Harry Browne once observed, pens are cheap.

I was a lifelong Republican until 1996, when for me the "lightbulb" finally illuminated. Since that time, I have been a card-carrying, dues-paying Libertarian.

The country, as we have known it, is probably finished. However, I believe there is one final ray of hope in the form of Ron Paul. Liberals, Conservatives, Greenies, Demorats and Republicans are all joining the Ron Paul "revolution" in ever-increasing numbers, and I suggest that every American citizen here consider doing the same - it's the Boston Tea Party of our time, my friends. We're not fighting against the British Crown this time, but rather against the Globalists and New World Order types who are Hell-bent on destroying the United States as we know it, and replacing it with the "North American Union".

The support for Dr. Paul is going to have to overwhelming; otherwise, the powers-that-be are going to install Mrs. Klintoon into the White House for eight years. Following her reign, it's going to be Jeb Bush's turn - probably for another eight years. That's another 16-years of Klintoon/Bush and their handlers. If there's anyone here who believes that the United States Constitution can survive this, well, I feel sorry for you. 

Could all the people who believe as I do be wrong? Of course. Time will tell - as it always does.  

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/ 

 
Okay sir, but I was a life long Jesuit Catholic, Mexican American, Kennedy Democrat until 2004 when I changed affilication.
 
The Democratic party left me I didn't leave it....and Mr. Paul who is a Weak Libertarian in disguise at best is a woosie with no answer to the Radical Islamic threat.
 
And no, we didn't start it.
 
The koran teaches Islam to pretend to follow until they have an opportunity to decapitate the enemey.
 
They would kill you, your mother, your brothers, your sisters, Jane Fonda, Sean Penn, Hugo Chavez, Karl Marx, Al Gore, Rosie O'Donnell, Barbara Streisand, Robert Redford....and you hopefully get my drift, if need so to get their religion to all corners of the world.
 
Unfortunately the unpopular decision, as history will show, will prove that Bush was correctly proactive in his approach to this threat.
 
God bless all the great American, British, and other International Heroes who gave everything in pursuit of this goal.

Oh yeah, my geatest regret in life was that I voted for Jimmy Carter who started this whole mess.

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ORIGINAL: SolaraSlayer

"VERY NICE" as you put it but my friend in BC waited 17 months to get a tooth pulled, no thank you.

Okay, that one I can't explain.  I was referring to people needing things like organ transplants and heart surgeries.  I've never heard of someone waiting 17 months to get a tooth pulled.  Not calling you a liar, I have no reason not to believe you.  But something or someone messed up something to cause a 17 month wait.  That's excessive even by Canadian standards.
 
Canada is actually slowly moving toward the US way of doing things.  A lot of things that used to be government runned or government owned, have been privatized.