Twisted_Metal
11/11/2007 4:28:38 AM
I wish cars ran on farts ... :(
I could just fart in my tank and go miles and miles ..
04 Intimidator
11/11/2007 12:42:56 PM
I'm betting $4 a gal soon.
SpaceRider
11/12/2007 5:01:12 AM
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Cowboy6622
11/12/2007 4:37:57 PM
what? you mean to tell me the oil tycoons running our country would be willing to let gas prices rise so high we can't afford them while their profits go thru the roof? you must be crazy....
o, we can dream can't we?
MadelynsDaddy
11/12/2007 8:44:08 PM
Wow, just downloaded wallpaper of the Tesla Roadster - looks great on my desktop, will have to see it in my garage tonight (while dreaming)...
SpaceRider
11/14/2007 4:13:34 AM
Local Price Snapshot
11-13-07
Today 3.426 Yesterday 3.432 One Week Ago 3.385 One Month Ago 3.075 One Year Ago 2.414 Trend 
Increase of $1.00 a gal., in one year : ( 
This morning on ABC Morning News, states that gas will be over $4+ a gal in 2008 
Supply and Demand : (
Limited Supply ~ Big Demand
China/India are now driving more vehicles, and consuming
more fuel.
USA is using 10,000 gallon's a Second - WoW -
Do the `Math
one minute = 600,000 gal an hour
One Day = 14 Million, 400 thousands
gallons a day - WoW -
$3.50 x 14,4000,000 = $50,400,000.00 a day WoW
We need to locate new sources for fuel/energy,
or the rich are going to be the only ones on the highway : (
Time 2 `Tune Up your Monte Carlo's
Laserblue06ss
11/14/2007 4:47:16 AM
I guess my area is still below many areas.This morning I filled up with 93 octane for $3.25 a gallon.Regular was $3.05,midgrade was $3.15.My son told me they had regular for $2.93 at a WaWa that just opened last weekend out by the turnpike exit.The BP across the street was selling regular for $3.26 (stations near the turnpikes and interstates are usually higher) but by that night the BP was down to $2.95.
And they say there is no gouging or price manipulation????
BLACK ATTACK
11/14/2007 7:07:05 AM
I don't know about you folks, but here is how they try and explain the price.
Wholesale price: $2.00
Fed Tax 18.4% = $0.368
State Road Tax 19% = $0.475
Distribution & Delivery cost = $0.025
Evaporation Fees (and where the .009 comes from) = $0.009
Gas Station Operating Price (typically) = $0.11
Good Old State Sales Tax 6% (which has a formula, retail price - state road tax = ? divided by 17.67 = actual tax) = $0.142
GRAND TOTAL = $3.129
or basically $1 (0.985) in taxes!!! or in Michigan last year $1,250,000,000.00 in tax revenue in gasoline alone! plus Lotto money in the Billions, and yet our schools are in trouble and the state is cutting programs... WHERE IS OUR MONEY GOING!!! Dems, Repubs, Libs, they are all to blame! WHERE IS MY MONEY!!!
SpaceRider
11/14/2007 7:26:24 AM
Craig, -BlackAttack -, another great informative post, Thanks
$ $ $ $
SHOW ME THE MONEY
Here `it is, & you can't have it.
It's mine, it's all mine : )
The Rich get Rich, and the Poor get Poorer
We have money to burn.
Want some $$$$'s, run for office : )
We ain't worried ~ We are `happy,
our `gas tanks are filled @ Government Expense : )
SUCKER's
BLACK ATTACK
11/14/2007 8:52:50 AM
Lol...
Well... I going to get mine! My daughter is going to be your President someday! She's currently the Ambassador to the EMU President, a Senator of EMU, the Panhellenic of Delta Zeta and on Panhellenic National Counsel, Honors College, Dean List continuously, a Pre-Law/Poli-sci Major that has been accepted toYale for Grad/Law. Actually she wants to run Presidential Campaigns, but good old Dad keeps pushing her to run for office herself... so if I get my way... you will see her running for Office someday!!!
rchurch
11/14/2007 10:02:09 AM
As I read these posts, it gets me to thinking . . . I live in southeast Texas, and right now I am sitting in my office about 2 miles from Spindletop, the place where oil was discovered back in 1901 and started all this. We produce something like 40% of the nations gasoline here. Gas in this area is currently around $2.95 for regular. Will it go over $3.00? You bet. Probably close to $4.00 by summer '08. Then drop in Sept/Oct in time for the elections. If the repubs are re-elected look for $6.00 during '09 and it staying in that range. The oil companuies have done studies that say that Americans are willing to pay as high as $6.00 for gas. Anything higher and it might cause an outroar. If the dems win, it won't go as high, but the oil companies will squeeze us by cutting supply. They know Americans are basically lazy and won't walk, and we love our SUV's. When we complain about not having the gas to drive everywhere, they'll increase production and raise prices and we'll gladly accept it.
It really all comes down to Bush 1's "New World Order". Anyone remember him talking about that? What is happening is we are moving toward a world-wide economy. Kinda like the Euro, but on a bigger scale. And anytime you equal things out (like what is happening with the world's economy), some things get better and some things get worse. Look around, and you'll notice that contries that used to be dirt poor, like China and India, are increasing their wealth, while countries that were well off, like the US, have their economy dropping. It's the laws of average, applied to a world wide economy. Our economy is not getting worse, it is just equalizing with the rest of the world.
Remember when gas prices first started increasing? What did the government tell us? "Be glad you don't live in England, gas is $7.00 a gallon there." Well, it won't be long before we are paying the same amout as England for not only gas, but everything.
SPACERIDER AND MOULDER ARE RIGHT: THEY ARE OUT THERE!! TRUST NO ONE!!
Taz
11/14/2007 3:01:55 PM
Craig...
Congratulations on your daughter's success. She sounds like she would make a great leader. Her success also says a lot about her parents and upbringing. Great job!
As for the gas prices...
When ever I see polls in the media that ask the public how high they think gas will go, I picture the oil companies watching them and deciding that's how much people are willing to pay. Then they decide to raise the price to make it come true. I don't think we should get rid of opinion polls. After all, we all like to hear other's opinions. We don't have to agree with them, but we like to hear them. The oil companies have all of us by the throat, and they know it. I wish there was something practical we could all do right now to change the balance of power. Gas station boycotts don't work, because the oil companies know we can't go without gas for any length of time, and we'll be back.
SpaceRider
11/15/2007 4:10:45 AM
Thanks `Moderator Taz, and member's for adding
to this topic....
The price, and predicted shortages concerns me for the
By the time I get out of college, and be able to afford a
car like the Z06 : ), there might not be any fuel to enjoy `it. That would really SUCK 
Space, U can have one gallon of gas only 2-day [/link]
Gas coupon printed but not used in 1973 oil crisis
Below is from the Web.
Peak oil is the point or timeframe at which the maximum global
petroleum [link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_production]production rate is reached. After this timeframe, the rate of production will enter terminal decline. If global consumption is not
mitigated before the peak, the availability of cheap conventional oil will drop and prices will rise, perhaps dramatically.
M. King Hubbert first used the theory in 1956 to accurately predict that United States oil production would peak between 1965 and 1970. His model, now called
Hubbert peak theory, has since been used to predict the peak petroleum production of many other countries, and has also proved useful in other limited-resource production-domains. According to the Hubbert model, the production rate of a limited resource will follow a roughly symmetrical bell-shaped curve based on the limits of exploitability and market pressures.
Some observers, such as petroleum industry experts
Kenneth S. Deffeyes and
Matthew Simmons, believe the high
dependence of most modern industrial
transport,
agricultural and
industrial systems on the relative low cost and high availability of oil will cause the post-peak production decline and possible severe increases in the
price of oil to have negative implications for the
global economy. Predictions as to what exactly these negative effects will be vary greatly.
If political and economic change only occur in reaction to high prices and shortages rather than in reaction to the threat of a peak, then the degree of economic damage to importing countries will largely depend on how rapidly oil imports decline post-peak. The
Export Land Model shows that the amount of oil available internationally drops much more quickly than production in exporting countries because the exporting countries maintain an internal growth in demand. Shortfalls in production (and therefore supply) would cause extreme price inflation, unless demand is
mitigated with planned
conservation measures and use of alternatives, which would need to be implemented 20 years before the peak.[link=http://en.wikip
SpaceRider
11/16/2007 7:31:38 AM
Gas @ Orlando International Airport holiday gas
price is $4.89 a gallon, I heard on the radio that some towns
in California are over $5.00 a gal Out of `Gas
The `End of the World
Click below to read
the
Rest of the Story
(What some do, when they are out of `gas : )
Click
BLACK ATTACK
11/16/2007 7:57:43 AM
No Worries SPACE!!!
Here is your Grad Present from your Grand Pa Dave... shhhhhh... it's a secret:
One Tesla Roadster:
This little beauty is 100% electric!
Goes 0 to 60 MPH in 4seconds
245-miles on a single charge AT
a COST of 2-Cents per mile!!!
Check out Tesla Motors at:
A PROPER VEHICLE FOR A SPACER JUST OUT OF COLLEGE!
sorry Dave.... didn't mean to let the cat out of the bag....
SpaceRider
11/16/2007 8:04:50 AM
Santa `Craig, & Net Grandpa Dave,
That's a Super nice Package - WoW -
Are they in production now ?
Do you know the cost ?
I think we will be seeing more vehicle's like above in the near future.
I can't wait to see, & drive on of those new Smart Cars, but they are
still going to cost between $12 -$16K +
Thanks for the post, I EnJoy my web/dream/fantasy `gift : )
Wish the reader of this a `Happy Day,
Kid `Space : )
quote:
A PROPER VEHICLE FOR A SPACER JUST OUT OF COLLEGE!
I still have a few more years @ school : (
and `if I continue spending to much time away from
my studies, it may be another 10 years
SpaceRider
11/16/2007 8:33:04 AM
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