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Hamm
4/7/2007 11:54:45 AM
When I do a search on the K&N site for products that fit my car, it only comes up with a stock air filter replacement. It shows the FIPK for the 3800 in that year, but for my car: nothing. Does this mean that none of their CAI will fit my car?
wiz kidd
4/7/2007 12:21:41 PM
its the same thing :) it will work on your 3.4 engine
Hamm
4/7/2007 12:23:38 PM
Awesome wiz, thanks! You always have good news for me.
wiz kidd
4/7/2007 12:25:24 PM
no problem...always like to help out... :)
Hamm
4/7/2007 2:19:57 PM
Alright wiz, just for my curiousity, why don't they list the intake for the 3.4 L's?
wiz kidd
4/7/2007 2:44:23 PM
i think its cuz the average person that has the 3.4 l probably doesn't want a cold air intake...usually the guyz that do their cars up for speed would have the 3.8l engine..

but even if it didn't work you could find a 3.8l in a junkyard, take the throttle body off of it and put it on yours...then connect the cold air intake to it...but its probably the same already..should be the same throttle body... i'm 99.9% sure that the cold air intake for the 3.8 will fit the the 3.4...
z34phoenix
4/8/2007 2:00:15 PM
the intakes for the 3800 should fit the 3400 yes.   Wiz  FYI  3.4L is not the same as 3400 they are two diff engines... 97 was the last year for the 3.4L 
 
as for the TB's the 3800 TB is very different from the 3400 TB.  Now the 3100 and 3400 TB's are almost identical except that the 3400 is slightly bigger inside (good swap mod)
 
the only problems i see with the install is that the 3800's MAF sensor is built into the TB and the 3400 has an external sensor that  is between the TB and airbox.  worst case is that you will need to cut a section of the CAI and fit in the maf sensor some where.  but obviously the engine bay is the same.  if you want some info on how to build your own CAI/FWI fender well intake.  go to my homepage and to page 6.  i have a writeup there for my car and links to about four other sites with info more specific to your year car.  if you cant find a design you like there... you prob wont find one.
Hamm
4/8/2007 5:23:06 PM
quote:

ORIGINAL: z34phoenix

the only problems i see with the install is that the 3800's MAF sensor is built into the TB and the 3400 has an external sensor that  is between the TB and airbox.  worst case is that you will need to cut a section of the CAI and fit in the maf sensor some where.  but obviously the engine bay is the same.  if you want some info on how to build your own CAI/FWI fender well intake.  go to my homepage and to page 6.  i have a writeup there for my car and links to about four other sites with info more specific to your year car.  if you cant find a design you like there... you prob wont find one.

 
Even with your write-up, I still doubt I could pull that off. Very little faith in my abilities. So it looks like if/when I decide to try this I'll have to have someone install if for me.
z34phoenix
4/8/2007 11:44:49 PM
where you at?
Hamm
4/9/2007 12:21:22 AM
I live in North Dakota, if that's what you're asking. The opposite of Florida.
Bigg J
4/9/2007 4:35:53 PM
Yeesh!!  That's a long haul.
Hamm
4/10/2007 1:48:21 PM
Wanna come up and install it for me?  The weather is beautiful this time of year.
Hamm
4/19/2007 7:47:49 PM
Got this in an email from K&N today:

Thank you for your interest in K&N products. The kit you are speaking of does not fit your car. The 3.4 V6 and the 3.8 V6 are two different engines which mount in the vehicle in different ways. The kit was designed to fit the 3.8 V6 only. If you have any questions please contact us at 1 800 858 3333

wiz kidd
4/19/2007 7:56:29 PM
thats wierd...i guess the only thing you could do is talk to an auto parts store and ask them if there's a restocking charge if you try it and it doesn't work..i think maybe they're just covering their buts..cuz i think it would work...honestly if you were in my area i wuold order it in just to try it on there...if it fit then good..if it didn't then i'd return it...you should find out if your local parts store will do the same thing...and even still if it doesn't work you could get a 3.8l throttle body and put it on your car...i still think it would work though...but i'm not 100% sure as i dont have the 3.4 and haven't tried it...i guess there's only one way to find out though

or you could just make your own and say poop on k&n ..lol..but i still say it should work     
Hamm
4/20/2007 12:30:43 PM
Emailed the same guy back and asked if switching out the throttle bodys would eliminate majority of the problem and this was his response:
Morning Jacob,
I believe you will run into mounting problems as our kits are specifically designed to work with the car and motor. Those motors are quite different in HP, one is rated at 160HP and the other at 200HP. We design according to what the motor needs in flow and as you know the 200HP will flow a lot more. I do believe we tested on your car and found little improvement in HP at all. Changing your throttle body may not allow your car to work properly. Again your intake is designed for the amount of air it needs for the fuel and air mixture. Most likely your engine would not allow enough adjustment to compensate for that. You could attempt to build your own intake system using our universal filters however; we would not guarantee HP or ill effects that it might cause. Check the web to see what everybody else is doing to get around this. I’m sure you could find info on this.
 
 
So yeah, I've been doing some light research for another CAI and so far have come up empty. I'm thinking my only option would be to build one myself, but I don't really have the time and know-how for that, so it looks like I might be SOL right here.    <----me yelling at my dad asking him why he didn't just buy an SS in the first place.
wiz kidd
4/20/2007 1:06:12 PM
are you friends with any of the local performance or car parts shops in town?? if so ask them if they can order one in for you to try...i think they're maybe just saying that to cover their butts...cuz i checked on a 3.4l impala today and he has the same hose and box assembly that mine used to have...so i dont understand why it wont work...
 
i think they're just trying to cover their buts if anything did happen which i can't see happening anyway
Hamm
4/21/2007 11:59:32 AM
After I get my car back from the shop, I'm going to look into it wiz. I'm getting the fuel problem looked at and having the fender repaired. I was told around $500 to repaint and fix the fender.  So it'll be a while before I can afford the CAI anyway.
wiz kidd
4/21/2007 12:00:47 PM
you can buy a new fender for less than that and have it painted for less than that....that would be your way to go
Hamm
4/21/2007 12:05:19 PM
Really? How would I go about doing that?
wiz kidd
4/21/2007 12:10:54 PM
parts store again...they can get fenders in...should be fairly cheap..i know mine was...and you could probably get it painted for about 100 bucks with good paint then its just like 3 bolts and a few screws hold it in
z34phoenix
4/21/2007 8:29:18 PM
the person you were talking to at K&N's help desk is trained in making BS to cover their butt. and keep to the buisness policy.
 
the main diff between the  3800 and 3400.  (3400 is diff then the 3.4L)  is the location of the MAF sensor... the 3400 has a seprate maf.  this would require cutting and additional couplers in the kit.  since they dont stock the kit with the apropriate modifications, then obviously they arent going to create a kit just for a handful of people emailing them.
 
also you wont be able to just simply swap TB's from the 3800 to your 3400... they are drasticly different.  im not saying its impossible.  acause with a good  fabriactor anything is possible, but you will need a tuner to retune your car for the different sensors in order to use the new TB.  if you are capable of this, fabing up an intake would be a simple task.
 
i say just make your own.  it will be cheeper  and i feel better.

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