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RE: ALMOST FINISHED RACE MOTOR FOR THE 3800II - 7/5/2008 7:35:09 AM

ZIPPY02

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Hey I''m open to suggestions for brakes. I added the 02 Camaro front brake calipers, Axxius pads, Goodridge lines all the way around and new drilled and slotted rotors. However I would like to upgrade the rear calipers. Any suggestions for them? Plus I read the drilled and slotted rotors are not good in the long run as they are prone to cracking and such. What do you think of using Brembo''s or another rotor and then having them "Cryo-treated"? I think this is the direction I''m moving. LMK

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Lets take it to them!!! Drop the hammer and make the Stang''s,Hemi''s,Evo''s and WRX''s eat our dust!!!

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RE: ALMOST FINISHED RACE MOTOR FOR THE 3800II - 7/5/2008 7:47:44 AM

ZIPPY02

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Hey I''m open to suggestions for the brakes for sure, don''t want to drop the ball here. I have added the 02 Camaro 4 piston calipers to the frone,drilled / slotted rotors,axxius pads,Goodridge lines all the way around and am using the A.T.E. "Super Blue" race brake fluid. What I have not seen is an upgrade for the rear brakes, do you have any suggestions or them, would love to see them.

SSMOKYBEAR I looked at your Impala site and article you linked. WOW, you be one busy man. Read the whole article, ex law enforcement man,all the time on the BMW road course designing a sway bar set up, etc. Well done! Sweet ride brother, very cleaned up looking.

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Lets take it to them!!! Drop the hammer and make the Stang''s,Hemi''s,Evo''s and WRX''s eat our dust!!!

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RE: ALMOST FINISHED RACE MOTOR FOR THE 3800II - 7/5/2008 11:35:10 AM

SSmokybear

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ORIGINAL: Cowboy6622

haha, out to make a sell... lol

but he is right.. do need a big brake kit for that car...

LOL, noooooo :)

But don''t you think a car that nice should be wearing something like this??

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RE: ALMOST FINISHED RACE MOTOR FOR THE 3800II - 7/5/2008 11:51:22 AM

rysZ34

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Here''s the thing Zippy, if you''ve got the cash you need good brakes. General cross drilles/slotted rotors will probably not be enough in the long run. I mean you will stop, but you''ll be replacing pads and rotors like mad. As we all know we''re not talking about a normal daily driver. You need to be prepared to stop a 9 or 10 second car. It''s better to be safe than sorry if you have the cash.

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RE: ALMOST FINISHED RACE MOTOR FOR THE 3800II - 7/7/2008 5:34:28 AM

SSmokybear

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ZIPPY02

Hey I''''m open to suggestions for the brakes for sure, don''''t want to drop the ball here. I have added the 02 Camaro 4 piston calipers to the frone,drilled / slotted rotors,axxius pads,Goodridge lines all the way around and am using the A.T.E. "Super Blue" race brake fluid. What I have not seen is an upgrade for the rear brakes, do you have any suggestions or them, would love to see them.

SSMOKYBEAR I looked at your Impala site and article you linked. WOW, you be one busy man. Read the whole article, ex law enforcement man,all the time on the BMW road course designing a sway bar set up, etc. Well done! Sweet ride brother, very cleaned up looking.

Zippy02:

I recieved your e-mail through MovIt this morning. I sent you an e-mail. Hope to hear from you soon, we can get your braking issue taken care of.

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RE: ALMOST FINISHED RACE MOTOR FOR THE 3800II - 7/10/2008 10:23:18 AM

bumpin96monte

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The rods took 13 weeks to make and actually cost $1495 plus s/h so almost $1600 for them. The crank was $850 plus $225 to Cryo and $200 shipping, everyone had their hands on my money. I did not know when to reasonably to say NO!, so up went the mods. LOL, to funny in one way.

I''m not trying to be rude here- but all of that was a big waste of money. No one has ever broken a stock crank or stock rods from too much power on these 3800s (some have failed as a result of other broken parts first- ie spun bearings, broken pistons, etc).

There are no forged cranks for the 3800s because there is no need. It has been said (from someone on cgp that had contacts with GM) that the stock 3800 crank can handle roughly 1000 crank horsepower- and as far as I know, there hasn''t been a single setup to hit that number.

Honestly, for what you spent on all that- I would''ve went with a stroker kit:

http://www.3800stroked.com/

At least you would''ve gained a little power.

What kind of pistons are you running now?

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Hey, back at you. Hell I don''''t know why the rods needed to be so strong. Lawless builds $100,000 motors and they said in their opinion the powder metal rods wont hold up in the long run.

Thats the bad thing about race shops that have no experience in the 3800 world- they don''t really know the capabilities. The guys at the shop that did the work for my engine said the same thing- that they reccomended a forged crank, and forged rods. Its simply because they are used to sbc/bbc and such and they don''t truly know anything specifically about the engine. I had them polish the sides of the rods, and just let it go (I used regular cast ones as I''m not a big fan of powdered metal).

The only other thing I would probably think about is that gen 3 diff. They don''t really have the best reputation in the world. I personally would consider going with the GM Torsen unit (or a Quaife)- both are leaps and bounds better than the Intense diffs.

What size turbo are you running (sorry if I missed it), and also what cam? Best of luck to you with your build!

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just a few mods :)

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